I have 3 regs, palmer stab., AA vigilante, and dye hyper2. I opened up both the vigilante and stab. and the design looks similar. So why is the vigilante consider an hpa only reg and co2 will kill it?
If it's cause of the seals, then if I happen to find co2 friendly seals and rebuild the vigilante with it, will it be fine?
The dye hyper2 got disk stacks and got difference designs from palmer stab. but I never heard anyone says it shouldn't be used with co2, (mainly cause i don't think anyone runs co2 on their matrixes anyway)
so what's your experiences? thanks.
Palmer: this reg was built to handle liquid CO2 in its worse case scenario, if you're using CO2 i personally think theres no better reg than a PPS. i've had my old Palmer cocker to the point where the inline reg was FROZEN with CO2, the front air chamber was covered in white frost, and the LPR was getting there as well...the gun was still shooting strong, even with the frozen CO2 flakes coming out of the barrel...never once had a problem with it even in frozen conditions.
Dye Hyper II: this is BASICALLY a sidewinder clone...it uses the same exact layout as the AKA sidewinder right down to the swiveling air port at the bottom...they work best with HPA, and can handle CO2, but not as effectively...they will spike and drop a lot more on CO2 in my personal experience with them anyway.
AA Vigilante: these are one of the nice old AA regs...solid construction, good performance, but heavy as a brick, lol...they handle HPA and CO2 very well, i've seen Curt's guns working with his Vigilantes with out any problems on CO2. I've mainly used mine with HPA and had no problems with them, but personally i dont like the feel of the reg itself in my hand, the tapered design just isnt for me...I've used a messiah on a phantom with CO2 and had pretty good results, was getting +/- 6 or so at the chrony but didnt notice any difference when shooting the gun at all...
personally i'd stick with a PPS reg if you have one on hand, but the AA is a perfectly viable alternative and will work pretty much just as well as the PPS will.
I was always under the impression that expansion chambers are for CO2 and regulators are for compressed air...except for some that works with both like Palmers Stab.
Expansion chambers are for CO2 primarliy, when used for HPA they serve as nothing more than a gas-thru grip.
regulators are the more expensive option for CO2 regulation, while in certain guns an expansion chamber will work fine (spyders, tippmanns) other guns on CO2 (cockers, palmers) prefer to have a regulator on them to maintain a more or less constant pressure.
there are some regulators also that work best with HPA and dont work much, if at all, with CO2...the higher end ones like Sidewinders, AKA 2 Litres, Dye Hyper 2's, Angel MiniRegs, etc...and there are some universal regs that work with either gas source, PPS, Air America, CP, WGP, etc...
My son no longer plays, so I messed around with his Rebel (Spyder clone) and a Check-It Powerstation reg, which seems very similar to a BL Torpedo. I put a Magnaport valve in it, messed w/ the springs a bit, and it now shoots 285fps @ sub-300 psi and is VERY quiet and consistant on anti-syphon CO2.
I guess my point here is a reg can be a benefit for a cheaper gun if you tune it properly.
there's no doubt that certain regs work well with CO2, interesting experiment you did with the Powerstation...so, by saying its similar to a BL Torpedo you're saying it's similar to a PPS Male Stabilizer
Torpedo's are, after all, clones of Stabs...hehe
where did you get your magna valve for the switch over out of curiousity...? think it may work in a PPS or BL? or are they much too different?